Suggestions on a 9mm revolver?
 

I know that a .38 would pack more punch, but since I've got several thousand 9mm rounds and not much .38 at the moment, I figured getting a 9mm backup would be good and thought a revolver would be a nice complement to a semi-auto. Any suggestions on a revolver model?

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9mm is rimless ammo. No one currently sells a 9mm revolver because of the mechanisms needed to handle the rimless ammo.

9mm was designed specifically for auto pistols.

Charter arms was supposed to be selling a 9mm rimless revolver by now, but it has been hit with delay after delay. Currently they are listing early 2010.

Ill prob get one for the heck of it when/if they come out.

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Ruger Cowboy style. Comes with a pair of cylinders for .357 Magnum and 9mm Parabellum:

http://www.galleryofguns.com/Genie/D...in=All&sit=All

Taurus version:

http://www.galleryofguns.com/Genie/D...in=All&sit=All

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That is the first I have seen of the taurus 9. I didn't know anyone was even still making them.

Still a pain to have to deal with the moon clips. That is why I did like the idea of the charter arms because it handles without any of that nonsense.

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I might be mistaken, but Smith made a 45ACP revolver for our WWII guys to help augment 1911's. Moon clips get over the rimless issue.

How about a Taurus 905?
http://www.taurususa.com/product-det...adcrumbseries=

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None I would recommend. They work with either half-moon or full-moon clips. Taurus, Ruger, SW made one but discontinued I believe. Stick with 38/357. A 9mm revolver is one of those "solutions in search of a problem".

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Let me look - there were/still are a few nice 9mm revolvers out there.....someone had a neat design I read about that did not need moon clips.....had a detent feature in the cylinder that grabed the rim??? I think it was a new Charter Arms product...pretty neat idea.

I'll be back.

PS - 9mm may pack more punch that 38 spl.....the 38 is limited to like 22000 psi....the 9mm is much higher.

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Sounds like you already have a pistol, so how about a rifle instead, something like a used Ruger PC9?

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Not at all. A 9mm revolver offers the benefits of any other revolver, including extremely simple use, near fool-proof safety, and guaranteed retention of your brass. Moon Clips are a real pain, though, no question about that.

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I want a backup pistol that takes the ammo I have the most of. I'd hate for something to happen to one of my 9mm pistols and then be stuck with ammo I can't use. I'm also getting a rifle soon, but want a backup pistol first.

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Well, apparently the buying public agrees with me. None of them have been commercially successful. Talk to people who have owned one...more trouble than they are worth.

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Charter Arms, Dayton, OH - -(AmmoLand.com)- Charter Arms discloses the facts behind why their new and revolutionary rimless revolver is not yet out.

Let�s talk facts and not rumors:

1.The Charter Arms Rimless Revolver (CARR) is tested, patent checked, cleared and ready for production.
2.Initially the first models in .40 caliber were to appear this past March with following models in .45ACP and 9mm later this year.
3.BUT, since the 2008 election we don�t need to tell you what has happened with sales of firearms and ammunition in our country. Thanks to another terrific firearm salesman like President Clinton was in 1990, President Obama has pushed buying over the edge and companies are working like crazy just to keep up. This buying spree ramped firearm and ammunition demand up to astonishing levels in January 2009, and it has not slowed down.
And, that last entry is what is delaying things, here is why. Due to the incredible demand for firearms Charter is forced to stay the course by keeping dealers supplied with current model revolvers in order to meet current demand. In other words, the production line is pressed hard to fill the demand for current models. Therefore, it would be foolish to add more models at a time when just keeping up with current models is nearly impossible.

Second, it is unfair to consumers and dealers alike to come out with items you cannot produce in matching demand numbers. Currently, Charter just could not keep up if they added a whole new product line at this particular time.

Let�s be clear about what Charter Arms wanted to do initially. Needless to say, not producing the CARR this was NOT the plan when we first announced the new revolver. The 2008 election created this panic. Had the election results been different, firearm and ammunition demand and sales would not have exploded, and the new Charter Arms CARR revolvers would be in stores right now.

Bottom line, the CARR is not vaporware, there is simply no room in Charter Arm�s production line for new items. Additionally, Charter has several other new guns and models in addition to the CARR series, and those guns we won�t even discuss until things get back to normal.

We hope this helps you understand our current situation. Please spread the word and thanks to all of you for your support. By the way the NRA meetings in Phoenix expected 45,000 attendees and we heard got 64,000! Many people who never wanted or owned a firearm before are now gun owners and that all helps to support the Second Amendment specifically and protect our Constitution in general.

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Charter Arms, Dayton, OH --(AmmoLand.com)- Charter Arms announces the Charter Arms Rimless Revolver (CARR) a revolutionary new rimless revolver for popular semi-auto cartridges.

Problem: The major drawback to rimless semi-auto cartridges in revolvers is they require specially made revolvers. These low-production, somewhat scarce and, highly-specialized revolvers are limited to sometimes fragile and expensive moon/half moon ammunition clips. Generally, only revolver aficionados and collectors bother with (.45ACP and 9mm Parabellum) rimless revolvers. While they may sometimes be fired without the specialized moon clips, generally the ejector rod will not eject the free-floating fired cases (got a pencil?).

Solution: Charter Arms has come up with an affordable revolver that chambers rimless semi-auto rounds in the same manner as a standard rimmed-cartridge revolver.

Available Calibers: Charter Arms will first offer the .40 S&W chambering, followed quickly by the .45ACP and 9�19 mm Parabellum (the 9mm Parabellum revolver will also chamber factory .380ACP). All three of Charter Arms’ Rimless Revolvers (9mm, .40 and .45) are rated for higher velocity +P loadings.

Availability:
The first to be built will be the .40 caliber (currently there is no .40 available in any revolver). Charter Arms plan is the .40 should ship to distributors the first quarter of 2009. Some 90-120 days after the .40 the .45ACP will follow and some 90-120 days after the .45ACP the 9mm will follow

The advantage is now the average gun owner can own an affordable, trouble-free revolver chambered in these popular semi-auto rounds without the need for specialized ammunition clips and a specialized gun.

Back up and self-defense: For law enforcement work the always ready-to-fire, fiddle-factor-free revolver is the back up to have; especially if is the same caliber as the officer’s carry gun. As a primary self-defense carry gun, these three calibers mean reliable protection in popular semi-auto self defense-calibers.

If more power is needed, step up to +P ammo. The advantage with Charter Arms Rimless Revolvers is they will fire any mix of cartridges while maintaining 100% reliability. For plinking with .45ACP or 9mm surplus and discounted military type ammo, the affordable Charter Arms Rimless Revolver will prove to be very economical and it’s also a .380 revolver. Now that is fun!

The secret is the patent-pending Charter Arms Rimless Revolver Round System. Basically, when a round is loaded into the chamber a specialized spring engages the cartridge’s ejector groove. When the cylinder is opened and the ejector rod operated, it extracts and ejects the fired cases.

Models: Initially snubbarrels (2″ 9mm and 2.2″ .40 and .45ACP) as these revolvers are designed for self- defense and back up. The 9mm is built on Charter Arms’ compact and lightweight undercover platform featuring an aluminum frame and weighing only 12 ounces. The .40 and .45ACP built on the popular and robust Bulldog frame due to the larger diameter of these cartridges while maintaining a compact profile.

Availability: First quarter of 2009.

Warrantee: Charter Arms has an industry exclusive lifetime warranty on its revolvers.

MSRP Prices: 9mm $399.00, .40 $449.00, .45ACP $449.00

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This is the one I have been waiting for (and was talking about earlier). Perfect for backup weapon if this turns out to be a reliable mechanism.

I hope they release it soon.

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backup solution:

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LOL

The opinion of the "buying public" is that Bryco/Jennings/Jimenez are firearms of value. :haha:

The only disadvantage is the Moon Clips, and that's hardly "more trouble than they're worth." It's not like 9mm wheels are the only one with Moon Clips.

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Sorry you don't have a very high opinion of the intelligence of the buying public, which includes you. So, why should anyone value yours?

Revolvers are designed around rimmed cartridges. If the OP wants a 9mm backup, why not buy another PROVEN design like the pistol above?

As a certified instructor, I take responsiblity for any recommendations I make and I would never recommend a 9mm revolver or any firearm just because it's new and kewl, but has no track record and that may not work 100%.

How much is your life worth? Are you really willing to take a chance? I don't piss around when someone else's life is at stake. I would never recommend any Charter Arms. They are an inferior quality firearm, IMO.

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I can understand Charter wanting to do the 40 S&W as it is vary unique - nobody has a revolver in 40 S&W yet....

But, the 9mm is easy to do...just use the current 38/357 and their unique, patented "moonless" design. I think NRA Rifleman had an article on the design....I think you twisted the ejector cane to lock in place or unlock the rim detents....thus no moon clips needed.

I'd buy the 9mm is they offer it (I do not own a 40 S&W chambered weapon).

I do have a S&W 625 5.5" revolver in 45 ACP that uses moon clips.....but I'm of the opinion you can't own too many guns. This compliments my 1911's in 45ACP.

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I read a while ago about a 9mm revolver that did not require any clips to keep the ammo in place, and it was made by a major manufacturer.

Yep, I found it. It's a S&W. Why it was discontinued I have no idea: http://www.vintagepistols.com/range_report_S&W_547.html

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Are you suggesting 9 mm and 45 ACP revolvers that use moon/half moon clips are not as reliable as rimmed cartridge revolvers?

I'd have to take exception with you on that opinion.....just as reliable in my opinion and experience. Plus the moon clips act as a defacto speed loader....and the cylinder chamber lead-in can be beveled like mad if you want to ease loading.

I own a crap load of guns....and it is not uncommon in past years for me to fire 10,000 to 20,000 rounds in a single year.....I'd say my S&W 625 is just as reliable as my 617, 686, or 629.

Near Zero reliability impact in my opinion when using moon clips.....I understand that there is 1 more element in the system....the clip ....but the failure mode probability of the clip is very low....and this system is still many fold more reliable than an autoloader.

I'm not a instructor - but I am NRA Expert Classification is 4 pistol competition events and high power rifle....not bragging - just I've been around a while and have shot a lot.

Also, Charter Arms are not junk. They are a very good pistol....perfectly acceptable...the fit/finish are not up to S&W standards....that said, I've has some poor S&W guns over the years as well. I've owned 1 Charter Arms in the past....I've had several apart and have looked very carefully at the design and materials....they are on par with most big name manufacturers.....they use some sintered powder metal parts in places that do not thrill me (hammer) - but so does Ruger....Ruger is also a big fan of investment castings.....they are designed and tested around these materials and manufacturing processes - and are acceptable. I have an opinion of typically paying 30% - 50% more and simply getting a S&W.....so I do not own any Charter Arms right now.....but their design, quality and reliability are fine in my opinion......for what that's worth...I am a Mechanical Engineer in product design and also have some experinece in sintered powder metals, forgings, stamping and casting.....lots of metal product/process experience.

Don't want to come across the wrong way - not challenging you at all - I respect your opinion......what in particular do you dislike on Charter Arms revolvers that would make you question their reliability/function?

Again - thanks for your input......I do prefer forges/machined from solid stuff over powdered metal and castings....but it all comes down to design.....if designed properly, PM and castings are fine in guns.

Most folks would be surprised to learn that just about 100% of new cars - all OEM's use sintered powder metal connecting rods....and a lot use cast rings.

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Been around firearms about 55 years myself, Rup. Owned and shot about every blessed brand and type of firearm made. That qualifies me enough.

The reason the Army used the Smiths and Colts was because there was a war on, and manufacturers couldn't make 1911s fast enough. They even made a cartridge that didn't need clips...45 Auto Rim. S&W half-moon and later full-moon clips work fine, not the point.

I owned a few of the 1917 Smith's in my day, and none of them were particularly good shooters...cartridge had too much slop in the chambers with the clips, I recon. Auto Rims shot better. Newer M25s are excellent, but I would rather have 45 Colt chambering. But we are talking SMITH & WESSON, not Charter Arms.

In the clipless Rugers (or was it SW), the spring-loaded extractor had a tendency to slip over the rim, rendering the gun inoperable until you could poke the case out with a nearby stick. Taurus, clips were somewhat flimsy, could be bent, hard to find, easily lost.

We will just have to wait to see what these engineers at Charter Arms have come up with.

EDIT: Anyway, some people like the idea of the utility of the 9mm revolver. The best examples are okay, but still I would rather keep it simple(r) and carry a 38 snub with a few speed loaders.

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I'm a gun newbie, but myself and my 12 year old son are very happy with my glock 19!

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Ruprick, thanks for sticking up for castings and powder metallurgy products! Ruger "poured" a bunch of money into their investment casting foundry and they also do jobbing work there. I would have to think that they make a good casting.

I agree that in firearms, not every component should be a casting or PM product, but we shouldn't necessarily turn up our noses at them, if they are a properly engineered product.

I hope Charter gets their CARR off the ground. To me, it's the only viable solution for rimless ammo.

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I'm pretty sure Beretta used to make one with interchangeable cylinders - .357 and 9mm.

That said, this revolver isn't going to be cheap and Glocks are getting cheaper all the time. I bought a Glock 17 with one hi cap mag on gunbroker for $425.

The operational simlicity of a revolver as well as the reliability.

I wouldn't go looking for off-brand odd designs making a weapon work (maybe) with ammo not designed for a revolver when the market is currently flooded with Glocks.

You can even find first gen glocks for $300.

I don't know why anybody would try to fit a "round" gun into that "square" hole.

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Congratulations. Fine start, now go out and by two more!

Remember: "A pair and a spare..." :ok:

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Have to second Ag_Man and Ruprick, at least concerning investment castings. Remember every time you take a commercial flight, those turbine blades doing all the work were investment cast[has to be because of the tiny cooling air passages,,ya can't forge them]. Ruger got it's tech straight out of the turbine blade industry.

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Because most of the "buying public" is stupid. You implied that because the "buying public" don't buy enough 9mm revolvers that such is a statement on their inferiority. If one gives credence to your assertion, it would be logical to assume that the converse is true: because they buy plenty of Saturday Night Specials, SNSs must be valuable.


Obviously, since the OP is asking, he must be seeking alternative options, or else the question would not have been asked. While some are trying to persuade him away from his inquiry, some of us simply answered his question.


Oh, boy, an "expert." :bear_rolleyes:

Neither the Ruger nor the Taurus I posted are "new." Rare is the Ruger or Taurus firearm that doesn't work as designed. Moon Clips are a benign nuisance, an extra step, not a "flaw" by any means.


I never endorsed Charter.

And yes, I'd trust a Ruger or Taurus revolver with my life.

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Didn't S&W have a 10mm hunting handgun a few years ago that could be loaded with .40 cal? I'll have to look it up. It may have came from their custom shop. I remember it was a beautiful gun that was kind of cool. I had a few .40's at the time and thought it would have been a good match for my collection if I didn't have to sell a kidney to get it.

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I own a S&W 940. It's the best feeling revolver I have, but I still chose to carry the 340pd.

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Actually, S&W made the 646, a 6 shot stainless steel L frame revolver with a titanium cylinder chambered in .40s&w. It didn't sell well and was discontinued. They also have made the 610 off an on, a 10mm N frame revolver that can also fire 40s&w using moon clips

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I have actually owned a sample of most of the DA 9x19 revolvers, and I currently own none of them. Here is what I had.

1) S&W M547. This is a K-frame revolver with an extractor designed to extract rimless cartridges. It worked until the revolver got dirty or hot. Then it either bound the gun or the cartridge casings slipped under the extractor. Sold it to a collector.

2) S&W M940. J-frame gun that hated to extract anything. It was a five-shooter until it cooled. S&W could not make this one run, and they sent me an M640.

3) Ruger SP-101. The best of the bunch. Great gun. I hated the moonclips that it needed. At that time, the RIMZ polymer clips did not exist. The metal clips were way too easy to bend and tie up the gun. Sold it to a cop who used it for backup until he could not reload it for qualification.


Note the common thread: The guns do not run.

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Without knowing why you want a revolver it's tough to recommend something.

If you just want a little backup gun and size is an issue I would suggest getting a Rohrbaugh R9, it's much smaller than a J-Frame.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...rbaughII-1.jpg

If you are just looking for something that you can shoot more accurately in single action pick up one of the SA 1911 pistols or maybe a CZ75..

If you are looking for a revolver because it won't throw brass just get into a new caliber.

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9mm revolver concept is almost comical. It's hard enough unloading rimmed ammo.

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...revolver full moon clips:

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Those are speedloaders. Full moon clips look like this:

http://images.google.com/url?source=...kBTHUkX4VMjhNg

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Speedloaders are my version...:ok:

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The OP is not rejecting autoloaders--he states quite clearly that he has (at least) one. He is seeking opinions on revolvers.

As far as reasons, I can think of several: First, revolvers are simple, and their actions are purely mechanical--that is, there is no reliance on cartridge energy to load the next round. If a round FTF another trigger pull brings the next revolver round into play. In a backup gun that might need to be fired from a severe or compromised position, simpler is better. A weak grip, for whatever reason, could mean the auto is "limp wristed", which could lead to FTE/FTF problems.

Second, there are no external safeties or buttons to push, or to avoid pushing, in order to get off a shot. As part of that, there is no disadvantage to left or right handed shooting.

Third, the revolver is not ammo sensitive, since it neither needs to feed a round into the chamber--no jamming--nor does it rely on cartridges of the same relative energy.

Finally, some of us have trouble getting a good grip on many of the autos. I have big hands but short stubby fingers, and I cannot comfortably hold the Glocks at all. 9mm single stack is about my limit for grips. This isn't to say I can't hold and shoot .40s and .45s, but I can't manipulate the mag release, safety, and slide stop without two hands or fumbling, which negates most of the advantages of an auto pistol. Since a revolver's grip does not serve double duty, I can get a very comfortable grip on it. I do very well with the S&W square grips.

All handguns are a compromise--You pack the best compromise of reliability, handling, and stopping power.

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The Biss and I shot at an event with over 30 guns yesterday. I got to try a lot of weapons. My Daughter and I were both smitten with the The Baby Eagle/Jericho.. That will be my next gun and her first.. It is the funnest gun I have shot so far and boy was fast and accurate with it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnum_Research_Baby_Eagle

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S&W 547 did not require moon clips, the S&W 940 does use them, those are the two common model from S&W in 9mm. Ruger also made a limited number of Speed Sixes that used moon clip.